Curse

beaverlegions · May 12, 2009, 05:47 PM // 17:47

Many rumors circulate about nerfing the current farming skills. But why do they want to nerf them? Sure people farm ecto which is more or less the same as farming money (it only makes obsi armor and chaos gloves easier to get).
Instead of nerfing the current skills to make people do UW/fow the normal way again. Why dont they give us a reason to do deep and urgoz again. I havent found people interested in doing these two ever since eotn came out.
Is it really that hard to add a few interesting drops to the loot tables, hell even adding a new leet weapon for the ninja mask / chaos gloves monks to use would help.Tweaking doa a bit too could help get more people interested.
These instance are much more interesting than UW and FOW but the drops suck, badly.

lewis91 · May 12, 2009, 05:57 PM // 17:57

"Instead of nerfing stuff why dont they do something useful?"

april update...?

But it would be nice to find people actually in DoA and not just farming.

Kattar · May 12, 2009, 06:14 PM // 18:14

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These instance are much more interesting than UW and FOW but the drops suck, badly.

The drops suck because you can't get uberleetgodly gear in 20 minutes?

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new leet weapon

You know all max weapons are the same, right? This isn't WoW. You want stuff like that, I suggest you play it. If you already play it, good for you, but GW is not WoW and shouldn't be.

Pretty sure this is mostly a QQ thread disguised as a suggestion anyway. Time will tell.

Kinlo · May 12, 2009, 06:31 PM // 18:31

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Pretty sure this is mostly a QQ thread disguised as a suggestion anyway. Time will tell.

This pretty much sums it up.

~Kinlo

street peddler · May 12, 2009, 06:36 PM // 18:36

you make it sound like theyve already nerfed shadow form

xx luna xx · May 12, 2009, 06:37 PM // 18:37

I miss DoA. It's kindda sad people don't play that area as much anymore, as for Urgoz, if you go around mid-day it's booming with people.

As for nerfing. I'm sure players will adapt. New builds will come out. They always do.

Sir Baddock · May 12, 2009, 06:45 PM // 18:45

Nerf the Xunlai House imo, free gold / zkeys / emote is making this bad.

beaverlegions · May 12, 2009, 07:02 PM // 19:02

Hmm right.
I said the drops sucked in deep/urgoz, this is a fact zodiac weapons look decent but gl selling them for a good price.
The reason I mentioned a new shiny weapon was so that there would be people doing these instances again. I'm a ranger anyway the only shiny weapons we have are stormbows and that's enough for me.
yeas april was a nice update but how much gameplay did it add? Storage update changing your hair and a pokemon system hardly qualifies as added gameplay (remember sf??) The only part of that update that was really nice was the account based hom.

Are you guys playing DF atm? You sound exactly like the blind troll hater that can usually be found on the mmorpg forums.

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Originally Posted by Sir Baddock

Nerf the Xunlai House imo, free gold / zkeys / emote is making this bad.

Yeah I must say that kill one ataxe was quite stupid, they could just have given us the gold and coins directly, the faction bonuses you get from these though are quite enjoyable.

gerlin · May 12, 2009, 07:22 PM // 19:22

So you just want OP buffs instead of nerfs. You want to keep using the same old farm builds for the rest of your life while you sometimes take a break to do an elite mission for 2 hours and expecting it to be as profitable for 8+ people solo farming at the same time?

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Originally Posted by Katsumi

Pretty sure this is mostly a QQ thread disguised as a suggestion anyway.

This...

Dee Cazo · May 12, 2009, 08:16 PM // 20:16

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Originally Posted by Katsumi

The drops suck because you can't get uberleetgodly gear in 20 minutes?

You know all max weapons are the same, right? This isn't WoW. You want stuff like that, I suggest you play it. If you already play it, good for you, but GW is not WoW and shouldn't be.

Pretty sure this is mostly a QQ thread disguised as a suggestion anyway. Time will tell.

I think the QQ is going to show when GW2 comes out and it has some striking similarities to WoW (if you havent read the features list so far on wiki).

Oh how the tears will come and I will laugh because I am not hardcore enough to understand how they "truly f'ed up guild wars"

Songbringer · May 12, 2009, 08:28 PM // 20:28

What the only shiny wep you guys have are storm bows??? What about Silverwing and Bow of Hierophant(spelling?). Both worth quite a bit...

Katsumi summed it up nicely...QQ indisguise

Konig Des Todes · May 12, 2009, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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Originally Posted by beaverlegions

Instead of nerfing the current skills to make people do UW/fow the normal way again. Why dont they give us a reason to do deep and urgoz again. I havent found people interested in doing these two ever since eotn came out.

I was hoping this thread was dated a long time before November just because of this.

Urgoz and the Deep were:
-given an End Chest
-given Faction Per Kill
-given Faction for completion
-given Special Summoning Stones (2 each, 2 of the 4 being craftable the other two awarded from the end chest)
-given Zaishen Quests (at least 1 each)
-given 2 new weapon skin drops and 2 new requirements for the Exhalted Aegis shield.

Urgoz and the Deep, has PLENTY of rewards, in my opinion, what prevents people from doing them is that with the rewards added, the difficulty was eventually increased via skill updates. People wanted buffs on skills, and those skills affected monsters as well.

(Also, they are too long) No amount of rewards will change people's desire to do these two elite missions.

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Is it really that hard to add a few interesting drops to the loot tables, hell even adding a new leet weapon for the ninja mask / chaos gloves monks to use would help.Tweaking doa a bit too could help get more people interested.
These instance are much more interesting than UW and FOW but the drops suck, badly.

New leet weapons, there are plenty of weapons going for 100k+e, which is stupid, since only the look is different.

Elite Area/Missions/Quests that need to be updated:

Titan Quests - needs to be repeatable and given better rewards such as a chest at the end of each quest *and the bug fixed for the Krytan one*, imo
Sorrow's Furnace - needs an end chest, skill bar changes, and quests to be set like in DoA and Slavers'
Tombs of the Primeval Kings - needs an end chest, and some bar changes (Darknesses could be given Signet of Disenchanting, to remove Perma Shadow Form'ers from farming the end chest).

(My exact ideas can be found here.

DoA also could use some reward buffs. But adding rewards does nothing if the place is easy and/or farmable. Also have to remove farming builds in order to increase value and not have everything new go to shit in a few days because of overfarming.

Just adding more and more stuff without nerfing will do NOTHING but take up server space.

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Originally Posted by Dee Cazo

Oh how the tears will come and I will laugh because I am not hardcore enough to understand how they "truly f'ed up guild wars"

They won't "f up guild wars" as long as it has good quality lore, great graphics, a storyline, and no pay to play.

DarkNecrid · May 12, 2009, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by Dee Cazo

I think the QQ is going to show when GW2 comes out and it has some striking similarities to WoW (if you havent read the features list so far on wiki).

Oh how the tears will come and I will laugh because I am not hardcore enough to understand how they "truly f'ed up guild wars"

I didn't know WoW gave you UAX automatically when you went to PvP areas but still allowed you to grow in PvE ones, actually had a story told through missions just like GW1 with cutscenes etc, had skills that act differently depending on how they're used (jumping, etc), had a limited amount of skills you can take at once, a power plateau, had companions that everyone can use at a cost of their power? When did World of Warcraft get these features, because I sure don't remember it having any of them the last time I played?

As for OP: /notsigned. While the Factions areas could use some better changes (slightly better rewards even still, shorten the missions a bit, rework the monsters), even if they had better stuff, people won't do them because of the Prophecies areas atm, as the Factions areas aren't as farmable with these skills which makes the Prophecies ones way shorter and so they won't ever be as profitable to the playerbase until these farming skills get nerfed.

beaverlegions · May 12, 2009, 08:57 PM // 20:57

I was just suggesting that instead of nerfing the uwsc (not like people will start doing balanced team any day soon) they should give better rewards for the other elite instances.
Now if all of you RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs feel like hating sure go ahead, guess your gonna enjoy the game till 2014 when gw 2 come out and be happy with getting new great content updates like what we got for 4rth birthday. But personnally I wont, been playing this game since day 1 and all I got left to do is vanquishes (which in no way can be considered fun).
Left for a few months and just came back a month ago and the only thing I can do in this game is farm to get cash to max out sweet drunk and party titles.
Dont tell me to go through the game again with new chars, been there done that. Doing proph for the 5th time is like riding the subway in the morning, nothing exciting.

And ffs i never said I wanted a new shiny weapon I said they should add them so people do the instances to get them. Please read posts before you reply.

Konig Des Todes · May 12, 2009, 09:12 PM // 21:12

beaver, I hope you do not direct this at me. I simply stating that if the things like shadow form and RoJ are not nerfed/fixed respectively, it doesn't matter what rewards you add, because they will all be farmable and will loose value. Thus, pointless.

Rewards are needed, yes, but not for the Deep/Urgoz. For the Prophecies Elites. And in order to prevent farming, the nerfs and fixes are needed.

Thus, your thread, is counter-active and pointless, as you don't mind the farming, but you want valuable stuff. But if things, no matter how valuable, are farmable, the value will diminish.

Also, vanquishes can be fun... they are for me. x)

beaverlegions · May 12, 2009, 09:42 PM // 21:42

So you actually believe that people will spend 3 h with a pug getting this done?
Are we playing the same game?

HawkofStorms · May 12, 2009, 09:44 PM // 21:44

A.net wants people to play the game, not farm it. Farming harms the community as a whole by making group play, comparatively speaking, unprofitable and causing an isolationism mentality in the community.
A.net's done several things over time to try to break up that feeling by encouraging group play (loot scaling, z-quests).

Konig Des Todes · May 12, 2009, 09:50 PM // 21:50

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Originally Posted by beaverlegions

So you actually believe that people will spend 3 h with a pug getting this done?
Are we playing the same game?

Nope, never said that.

In fact, I said people would NEVER want to do Urgoz and the Deep. No matter how many rewards they get. Because it is too long.

Add in cons, more people willing to do it, but that's still pretty much guild/alliance groups.

Arduin · May 12, 2009, 10:24 PM // 22:24

What makes you think adding a huge $$$ reward at Kanaxai's and Urgoz's Chest (a la Eternal Blade and Obsidian Edge) won't spawn Deep Speed Clear and Urgoz Speed Clear Teams abusing the heck out of [[Shadow Form]?

Shayne Hawke · May 12, 2009, 10:33 PM // 22:33

You want more to do? Go play PvP. There's countless people to fight and challenges to take on there. Not nerfing Shadow Form is a bad idea, just like a number of gimmicky builds that have become able to farm large numbers of areas with small variants.

I'd be all for new stuff after they fix what they've already given us. That means a skill balance, and a nerf to overpowered PvE farming skills.